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This forum is primarily for the discussion of developing monetary systems like Digital Coin, but also existing alternative and mainstream monetary systems past & present. It should be used thoughtfully to both present and study such systems in an open, objective, and active manner. Please leave your politics at the door. Those coming to grandstand or otherwise play politics, will be removed. Stick to the facts and reference all that you are able.

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Zonsb
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« on: October 28, 2009, 10:43:30 PM »

The ultimate promise to pay is the United States government. Which is a corporation. See Title 28, 3002, 15(a)
In 1933 HJR192 (House Joint Resolution 192) latter codified,  took us off the gold standard. Leaving the people with no means to pay their debts. A debt can't be paid with a debt.

Thus the United States corporation promised to discharge all debts. All homes, property, cars and labor are owned and mortgaged by US Inc. as collateral for the money the Federal Reserve lends to US Inc. and to citizens through the bank network. HJR192 says that and so does the congressional record.

Possession is nine tenths of the law. The one tenth is the title to the property owned by US Inc. The home owners and car owners have equity use and possession of the property and thus nine tenths of the law.

Everyone has a birth certificate as evidence of underlying title. All real estate titles underlie the deed of trust or certificate of title. Same with cars, a title underlies the certificate of title. Our signatures on loans/promissory notes create the "money" -- digital FRN debt notes. When a card dealership sells a new car it sends the Manufacturer Statement of Origin to the State, Ie., State of Ohio. Then the State of Ohio sends the "purchaser" of the car a certificate of title.

Our labor and property -- property being the fruit of our labor -- is collateral for the United States in bankruptcy. The United States Inc. has no credit. It uses the credit of the true wealth producers. Men and women put labor to earth to produce trade-able values. Men and women are the true wealth creditors of the world. They create wealth, not interest on loans, not printing press money and non complex financial documents.

There's a process, several processes actually, called commercial redemption. The most common is Accepted For Value. As creditors underlying all "money" -- promise to pay FRNs -- and creators of all trade-able values our signatures with the words Accepted for value -- Exempt for Levy -- and using either the social security # without the dashes or, use the number on the reverse of the Social Security card less the letter that precedes it, Charge to account #is the account they can access to setoff the debt. This can be done with bills and loans. And should be standard operating procedure when you're at the store checkout counter. Accepted for value is most readily accepted by government offices for discharge of bills like taxes and fees.

All bills you get in the mail are coupons that can be accepted for value.

The important thing is to understand what is really occurring: No one can pay a debt. United States Inc. is liable to discharge all debts.

I assume most people on this forum have watched other videos regarding money. Such as The Money Masters and The Creature From Jekyll Island.

International banksters control the world. They own the IMF, World Bank and BIS. The owners of the IMF own all the central banks to which all governments are debtors to in bankruptcy. All national and state governments are bankrupt corporations. The IRS collects world wide for the IMF. When a corporation fails to accept a person's Accepted For Value return presentment of the billing coupon the IRS will collect on it. The IRS has access to essentially every bank account in the world.

Google "HJR192" plus the phrase "commercial redemption". Searching those two separate phrases in one search will return links to explanation of HJR192. Or, join the RedemptionByMethod group at Yahoo and look in the files section for newbie information, where to start.

From my research on various currency systems the Digital Coin system gets my top vote. I realize this forum is about currency, and that topic needs to be objectively integrated with other key pieces of the big picture. Namely Law.

I won't go into law here. Suffice it to say that it is simple easy to understand. The hard part is clearing away they garbage in your head that brainwashing has screwed up. I think I have a relatively concise way to clear away the garbage. However, it won't overcome people's plethora of rationalizations they use to remain within their comfort zones and/or to deny they have been massively deceived and brain washed. It can be difficult to take when so much of what a person thinks is real turns out to be mere illusions shoved into their minds. To overcome that the person must be honest with themselves and accept the fact that they have been massively deceived and brainwashed since they were a young child.

For example, all we really know about government is de facto government. We only know governments as corporations. We were deceived to believe they are de jure governments. De jure is by law. De facto is by decree. All governments operate in fraud. We only know fraudulent government. We have never known or interacted with de jure government.

My sovereign law is Universal Law individualized to me. Universal Law is about one hundred words and applicable world wide. It's one of two key pieces necessary to free the world from the clutches of international banksters and their colluding government business partners. Objective monetary systems are another key piece. These two key pieces are the keys to peace in everyone's personal world and world peace. Imagine the new world as not having nearly one hundred years of Federal Reserve/government created inflation, that devalued the dollar by 95%, a three bedroom house would cost about $3,500 dollars. They have stolen the people's wealth.

The good news is, we can take it all back becasue fraud vitiates all contracts.
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« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2009, 04:30:54 AM »

I agree, we've been massively robbed.

We've been far to trusting (on the whole), who knows where the world would be now if it weren't for the fear, arrogance, and false pride that drives some people to steal from others.

The more people are taxed to pay homage to the thieves, the less productive we will be. The wealth of a society declines with the productivity of the individuals that compose it.

The thieves seem to not get this basic point (honestly, most people don't get it these days) and it needs to be explained and understood by all - if we seek to advance civilization, which I do.
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« Reply #2 on: November 02, 2009, 09:46:33 AM »

Zonsb, great post. I've been studying this subject for a little while now too.

Here are some great resources for further investigation into this occult commerce that operates in our society.
The light needs to shine on these cockroaches.

http://www.reddit.com/r/CommonLaw/comments/76rbx/common_law_videos_seminars/

Wayne Paul brother of Ron

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sGs8eFld1U
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